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		<title>By: StyleSwag</title>
		<link>http://webculture.co.nz/2007/05/27/scientology-and-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-2817</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 18:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Fantastic article and responses. I read every word.  I am interested in self improvement and I find Scientology a very interesting subject.  I&#039;ve been trying to read Dianetics by L Ron Hubbard for about 10 years now. I&#039;m up to chapter 3.  I guess I have a lot more &#039;clearing&#039; to do.  Thanks for the education.  I will heed the warnings and tread carefully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Fantastic article and responses. I read every word.  I am interested in self improvement and I find Scientology a very interesting subject.  I&#8217;ve been trying to read Dianetics by L Ron Hubbard for about 10 years now. I&#8217;m up to chapter 3.  I guess I have a lot more &#8216;clearing&#8217; to do.  Thanks for the education.  I will heed the warnings and tread carefully.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary McConnell</title>
		<link>http://webculture.co.nz/2007/05/27/scientology-and-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-1797</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary McConnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair Game practices by the church of scientology are alive and in use against anyone critical against it.  Journalists, reporters,parents of members and government employees and officials have been subject to Fair Game for being critical of scientology for many years now and BBC&#039;s Sweeney was no exception to this rule. Example:

Church of Scientology: A Religious Mafia?
http://www.watchman.org/sci/scientologymafia.htm

The Thriving Cult of Greed and Power 
http://www.xenu.net/archive/media/time910605.html

From Apologeticsindex.org:
&quot;Scientology&#039;s &#039;&#039;Fair Game&#039;&#039; Policy
Fair Game, the notorious Scientology policy describing how to deal with critics, ex-members, and other undesirables dehumanized with the label &#039;&#039;Suppressives&#039;&#039;; they may be &#039;&#039;Sued, tricked, lied to, or destroyed,&#039;&#039; as per policy. A more recent policy has banished the WORDS &#039;&#039;Fair Game&#039;&#039;, but the policy of what to do to these &#039;&#039;SPs&#039;&#039; or &#039;&#039;Suppressives&#039;&#039; cannot ever be cancelled, as it is Hubbardian scripture, and his words cannot ever be altered in any way per Scientology&#039;s policy. [Usage example:] &#039;&#039;Dennis Erlich, being an SP, is subject to Fair Game.&#039;&#039; ARS Acronym/Terminology FAQ v3.5 &quot;
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/f08.html

Wikipedia on Scientology&#039;s Fair Game
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology)

What is &quot;FAIR GAME&quot;? Check out http://www.fairgamed.org/

FAIR USE  EXERPT of the original reference given for use of tactics to destroy enemies of scientology:

&quot;HCO Policy Letter of 18 October 1967,Issue IV  Remimeo PENALTIES FOR LOWER CONDITIONS (Applies both Orgs and Sea Org)&quot;
[..]                          
&quot;ENEMY    SP Order. Fair game. May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.&quot;

LRH:jp                                                   L. RON HUBBARD
Copyright (c) 1967                                       Founder

www.xenu.net/archive/disk/fairgame.htm
http://www.xenu.net/fairgame-e.html
_____________________________

For members of this cult, the above is the feared consequence for deciding to leave or even questioning scientology in a public manner;  Consequently many are afraid to leave for fear of what might happen to themselves or their family members. This is the reason why many members, including celebrities, remain in scientology. 

I was a member for 18 years and it took many years  after leaving it for me to get up the courage to fully face what this organization did to me, my family, my friends.

I was once just like the scientologists who write in to defend the church but I was blind and did not see that while beliving I was being made FREE in scientology I&#039;d actually lost my rights to my freedom of speech, my freedom of thought and my freedom to make my own choices.

I have those back and that is why I am posting information on the internet today. I pray for all these victims, who for the most part &#039;know not what they do.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair Game practices by the church of scientology are alive and in use against anyone critical against it.  Journalists, reporters,parents of members and government employees and officials have been subject to Fair Game for being critical of scientology for many years now and BBC&#8217;s Sweeney was no exception to this rule. Example:</p>
<p>Church of Scientology: A Religious Mafia?<br />
<a href="http://www.watchman.org/sci/scientologymafia.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.watchman.org/sci/scientologymafia.htm</a></p>
<p>The Thriving Cult of Greed and Power<br />
<a href="http://www.xenu.net/archive/media/time910605.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.xenu.net/archive/media/time910605.html</a></p>
<p>From Apologeticsindex.org:<br />
&#8220;Scientology&#8217;s &#8221;Fair Game&#8221; Policy<br />
Fair Game, the notorious Scientology policy describing how to deal with critics, ex-members, and other undesirables dehumanized with the label &#8221;Suppressives&#8221;; they may be &#8221;Sued, tricked, lied to, or destroyed,&#8221; as per policy. A more recent policy has banished the WORDS &#8221;Fair Game&#8221;, but the policy of what to do to these &#8221;SPs&#8221; or &#8221;Suppressives&#8221; cannot ever be cancelled, as it is Hubbardian scripture, and his words cannot ever be altered in any way per Scientology&#8217;s policy. [Usage example:] &#8221;Dennis Erlich, being an SP, is subject to Fair Game.&#8221; ARS Acronym/Terminology FAQ v3.5 &#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.apologeticsindex.org/f08.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.apologeticsindex.org/f08.html</a></p>
<p>Wikipedia on Scientology&#8217;s Fair Game<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology)" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology)</a></p>
<p>What is &#8220;FAIR GAME&#8221;? Check out <a href="http://www.fairgamed.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.fairgamed.org/</a></p>
<p>FAIR USE  EXERPT of the original reference given for use of tactics to destroy enemies of scientology:</p>
<p>&#8220;HCO Policy Letter of 18 October 1967,Issue IV  Remimeo PENALTIES FOR LOWER CONDITIONS (Applies both Orgs and Sea Org)&#8221;<br />
[..]<br />
&#8220;ENEMY    SP Order. Fair game. May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.&#8221;</p>
<p>LRH:jp                                                   L. RON HUBBARD<br />
Copyright (c) 1967                                       Founder</p>
<p><a href="http://www.xenu.net/archive/disk/fairgame.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.xenu.net/archive/disk/fairgame.htm</a><br />
<a href="http://www.xenu.net/fairgame-e.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.xenu.net/fairgame-e.html</a><br />
_____________________________</p>
<p>For members of this cult, the above is the feared consequence for deciding to leave or even questioning scientology in a public manner;  Consequently many are afraid to leave for fear of what might happen to themselves or their family members. This is the reason why many members, including celebrities, remain in scientology. </p>
<p>I was a member for 18 years and it took many years  after leaving it for me to get up the courage to fully face what this organization did to me, my family, my friends.</p>
<p>I was once just like the scientologists who write in to defend the church but I was blind and did not see that while beliving I was being made FREE in scientology I&#8217;d actually lost my rights to my freedom of speech, my freedom of thought and my freedom to make my own choices.</p>
<p>I have those back and that is why I am posting information on the internet today. I pray for all these victims, who for the most part &#8216;know not what they do.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://webculture.co.nz/2007/05/27/scientology-and-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-1729</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 11:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay wants us to meet the average Scientologist. I trust, without meeting them, that average Scientologists are probably great people.

The average American Christian fundamentalist politician probably reads his own briefings. The average anti-GM protester is probably genuinely concerned with the state of the enrivonment. The average Islam worshipper probably doesn&#039;t encourage flying planes into buildings. The average Iraqi probably doesn&#039;t maintain a WMD production facility. The average video gamer probably doesn&#039;t gun down their fellow classmates.

The average people are never the problem. It&#039;s the kooky fringe believers pushing at the bounaries of rational justification who cause the rest of the world problems.

Scientology certainly has it&#039;s share of kooky fringe. A Scientologist founded museum in California, for instance, alleges that Psychiatry is responsible for the Holocaust, the September 11 Attacks, and the suicides of Kurt Cobain and Marilyn Munroe. Is that an &quot;average&quot; opinion?

Check it out!
http://www.cchr.com/index.cfm/13207
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychiatry:_An_Industry_of_Death</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay wants us to meet the average Scientologist. I trust, without meeting them, that average Scientologists are probably great people.</p>
<p>The average American Christian fundamentalist politician probably reads his own briefings. The average anti-GM protester is probably genuinely concerned with the state of the enrivonment. The average Islam worshipper probably doesn&#8217;t encourage flying planes into buildings. The average Iraqi probably doesn&#8217;t maintain a WMD production facility. The average video gamer probably doesn&#8217;t gun down their fellow classmates.</p>
<p>The average people are never the problem. It&#8217;s the kooky fringe believers pushing at the bounaries of rational justification who cause the rest of the world problems.</p>
<p>Scientology certainly has it&#8217;s share of kooky fringe. A Scientologist founded museum in California, for instance, alleges that Psychiatry is responsible for the Holocaust, the September 11 Attacks, and the suicides of Kurt Cobain and Marilyn Munroe. Is that an &#8220;average&#8221; opinion?</p>
<p>Check it out!<br />
<a href="http://www.cchr.com/index.cfm/13207" rel="nofollow">http://www.cchr.com/index.cfm/13207</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychiatry:_An_Industry_of_Death" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychiatry:_An_Industry_of_Death</a></p>
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		<title>By: W.T.F Barbecue</title>
		<link>http://webculture.co.nz/2007/05/27/scientology-and-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-1720</link>
		<dc:creator>W.T.F Barbecue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 11:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I vaguely remember what Fair Game is, dunno about Freezoners, and I do know that LRH sailed around the world with his coterie on yachts because a bunch of countries (ie France, which convicted him in absentia of fraud) wanted him on various charges.

And yeah, the story about Jack Parsons sounds incredible, but it&#039;s verifiable.  Unless of course all the people who lived in his boarding house at the time are part of an elaborate conspiracy, along with the judge who presided over the court case between Parsons and LRH, and Crowley and various members of the OTO who concoted a bunch of letters (or possibly recent forgeries?  Yeah right - forged by the guys who faked the moon landings, no doubt).  If it was a conspiracy, what foresight!  To think that a petty conman could become so powerful...  
And yeah, that Playboy article exists.  I&#039;ve been fascinated by this story coincidentally for the past few weeks and want to sort of collate it for my website or maybe Damn Interesting if possible.  

The fact remains that LRH went along to a few meetings with Parsons, stayed at his house, stole his girlfriend, and hung out with him during rituals.  I don&#039;t know, you could find this innocuous, somehow?  But I bring it up because I want to see Tom&#039;s face when he tries to parse that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I vaguely remember what Fair Game is, dunno about Freezoners, and I do know that LRH sailed around the world with his coterie on yachts because a bunch of countries (ie France, which convicted him in absentia of fraud) wanted him on various charges.</p>
<p>And yeah, the story about Jack Parsons sounds incredible, but it&#8217;s verifiable.  Unless of course all the people who lived in his boarding house at the time are part of an elaborate conspiracy, along with the judge who presided over the court case between Parsons and LRH, and Crowley and various members of the OTO who concoted a bunch of letters (or possibly recent forgeries?  Yeah right &#8211; forged by the guys who faked the moon landings, no doubt).  If it was a conspiracy, what foresight!  To think that a petty conman could become so powerful&#8230;<br />
And yeah, that Playboy article exists.  I&#8217;ve been fascinated by this story coincidentally for the past few weeks and want to sort of collate it for my website or maybe Damn Interesting if possible.  </p>
<p>The fact remains that LRH went along to a few meetings with Parsons, stayed at his house, stole his girlfriend, and hung out with him during rituals.  I don&#8217;t know, you could find this innocuous, somehow?  But I bring it up because I want to see Tom&#8217;s face when he tries to parse that one.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Underwood</title>
		<link>http://webculture.co.nz/2007/05/27/scientology-and-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-1718</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Underwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 10:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think my post speaks for itself, I tried to be as honest as possible and so I was when I said Scientology makes me afraid. Now I know my local soup kitchen feeding the inner-city homeless doesn&#039;t make me feel that way so there is definitely a conversation to be had here.

There have been a few questions asked in the comments and I for one would like to see them answered or at least a reply of some sort. That would at least be dialogue.


Greg - I too would like to see reporters come to your centers and ask good questions. But consider the content linked to in the above post, should we ignore all this, or just parts? Scientology seems to be reactive and unable to handle examination.

What is Fair Game? Who are the Freezoners? Were 11 members of Scientology, including Hubbard’s wife arrested for infiltrating the IRS in the USA?

Jay - You mentioned conspiracy theorists and I imagine the words of W.T.F. Barbecue are a classic example of this. Does this Playboy interview featuring L. Ron Hubbard exist?

Thorsten - How do you think the web should handle anonymity? Should we all be like those people on Amazon.com who have taken the time to verify their &quot;Real Name&quot;? It certainly lends their reviews of products a certain kind of credibility. Or have we managed to stumble onto the right balance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think my post speaks for itself, I tried to be as honest as possible and so I was when I said Scientology makes me afraid. Now I know my local soup kitchen feeding the inner-city homeless doesn&#8217;t make me feel that way so there is definitely a conversation to be had here.</p>
<p>There have been a few questions asked in the comments and I for one would like to see them answered or at least a reply of some sort. That would at least be dialogue.</p>
<p>Greg &#8211; I too would like to see reporters come to your centers and ask good questions. But consider the content linked to in the above post, should we ignore all this, or just parts? Scientology seems to be reactive and unable to handle examination.</p>
<p>What is Fair Game? Who are the Freezoners? Were 11 members of Scientology, including Hubbard’s wife arrested for infiltrating the IRS in the USA?</p>
<p>Jay &#8211; You mentioned conspiracy theorists and I imagine the words of W.T.F. Barbecue are a classic example of this. Does this Playboy interview featuring L. Ron Hubbard exist?</p>
<p>Thorsten &#8211; How do you think the web should handle anonymity? Should we all be like those people on Amazon.com who have taken the time to verify their &#8220;Real Name&#8221;? It certainly lends their reviews of products a certain kind of credibility. Or have we managed to stumble onto the right balance?</p>
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		<title>By: W.T.F Barbecue</title>
		<link>http://webculture.co.nz/2007/05/27/scientology-and-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-1717</link>
		<dc:creator>W.T.F Barbecue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 09:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Greg!  Hello Jay!

I thought you guys might be interested to know that there is documented proof that your esteemed post-leader, Frater LRH (oh yes!) was entwined in the machinations of a certain lodge in California, the Agape Lodge, which practiced the Thelemic philosophy of the OTO, run by Aleister Crowley.  He acted as a spirit guide for a certain mad scientist named Jack &quot;Whiteside&quot; Parsons, and assisted him in the invoking of an avatar of Babalon, the &quot;Scarlet Woman&quot;, so he could sire the Antichrist and destroy the world.  Happily, LRH stole all of Parsons&#039; money, his girlfriend, probably his dog too.  He then rewrote Thelema, made it &quot;more commercial&quot;, and drawn out over a longer period of time.  He admitted this in a Playboy interview.  But I dunno, maybe he was just joking?!  Ha ha ha!

Have fun, you black magick Thetans.  Iao Iao!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Greg!  Hello Jay!</p>
<p>I thought you guys might be interested to know that there is documented proof that your esteemed post-leader, Frater LRH (oh yes!) was entwined in the machinations of a certain lodge in California, the Agape Lodge, which practiced the Thelemic philosophy of the OTO, run by Aleister Crowley.  He acted as a spirit guide for a certain mad scientist named Jack &#8220;Whiteside&#8221; Parsons, and assisted him in the invoking of an avatar of Babalon, the &#8220;Scarlet Woman&#8221;, so he could sire the Antichrist and destroy the world.  Happily, LRH stole all of Parsons&#8217; money, his girlfriend, probably his dog too.  He then rewrote Thelema, made it &#8220;more commercial&#8221;, and drawn out over a longer period of time.  He admitted this in a Playboy interview.  But I dunno, maybe he was just joking?!  Ha ha ha!</p>
<p>Have fun, you black magick Thetans.  Iao Iao!</p>
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		<title>By: Mary McConnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary McConnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 02:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article. Once a person sees one of Mark Bunker&#039;s XenuTv videos, there is nothing of redeeming value to credit Scientology with. No church should get away with what they do. Scientology is the antithesis of goodness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article. Once a person sees one of Mark Bunker&#8217;s XenuTv videos, there is nothing of redeeming value to credit Scientology with. No church should get away with what they do. Scientology is the antithesis of goodness.</p>
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		<title>By: Thorsten</title>
		<link>http://webculture.co.nz/2007/05/27/scientology-and-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-1691</link>
		<dc:creator>Thorsten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 13:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The BBC Panorama is an interesting thing in many ways; a 21th century media case in particular. A thing like that could not have happened 10 years ago: a documentary and a documentary about the documentary.

Besides that it changes the game slightly, it also seem to have had another impact: If one watch the BBC Panorama Exposed documentary one will clearly see how Sweeney are creating a story of &quot;a closed church&quot; by knocking on backdoors, steel doors and other places where he know he will get a no. Also showing up at the Scientology headquarter asking to speak to the boss knowing that person haven&#039;t been giving an interview since the award-winning Nightline show in 1993 AND that that person is at that moment Sweeney asks to speak with him, in a worldwide church broadcast.

So Sweeney had a plan and a story he wanted to tell. But then Scientology did their documentary days before the BBC Panorama should air and released the YouTube clip of Sweeeney &quot;loosing it.&quot;

Also the Scientology celebrities Sweeney had interviewed backed out and did not allow him to use them in the final BBC Documentaryl.

So Sweeney edited the BBC Documentary shortly before it aired. And what we saw was a documentary mainly about Scientology documenting and following him. Not the original story he had planned.

The final BBC Documentary thus didn&#039;t contain anything waranting &quot;6 months research&quot; but became mainly an attempt to justify doing one in the first place by using that the church had filmed him as an excuse for critizism. 

But it seems the church &#039;got him&#039; as he couldn&#039;t use his original planned story.

Anyway, it has many layers but show some interesting new trends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The BBC Panorama is an interesting thing in many ways; a 21th century media case in particular. A thing like that could not have happened 10 years ago: a documentary and a documentary about the documentary.</p>
<p>Besides that it changes the game slightly, it also seem to have had another impact: If one watch the BBC Panorama Exposed documentary one will clearly see how Sweeney are creating a story of &#8220;a closed church&#8221; by knocking on backdoors, steel doors and other places where he know he will get a no. Also showing up at the Scientology headquarter asking to speak to the boss knowing that person haven&#8217;t been giving an interview since the award-winning Nightline show in 1993 AND that that person is at that moment Sweeney asks to speak with him, in a worldwide church broadcast.</p>
<p>So Sweeney had a plan and a story he wanted to tell. But then Scientology did their documentary days before the BBC Panorama should air and released the YouTube clip of Sweeeney &#8220;loosing it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Also the Scientology celebrities Sweeney had interviewed backed out and did not allow him to use them in the final BBC Documentaryl.</p>
<p>So Sweeney edited the BBC Documentary shortly before it aired. And what we saw was a documentary mainly about Scientology documenting and following him. Not the original story he had planned.</p>
<p>The final BBC Documentary thus didn&#8217;t contain anything waranting &#8220;6 months research&#8221; but became mainly an attempt to justify doing one in the first place by using that the church had filmed him as an excuse for critizism. </p>
<p>But it seems the church &#8216;got him&#8217; as he couldn&#8217;t use his original planned story.</p>
<p>Anyway, it has many layers but show some interesting new trends.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkyMork</title>
		<link>http://webculture.co.nz/2007/05/27/scientology-and-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-1690</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkyMork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 13:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jay, the common Scientologists are the ones being taken advantage of, the management and higher ups are the evil bastards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jay, the common Scientologists are the ones being taken advantage of, the management and higher ups are the evil bastards.</p>
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		<title>By: db</title>
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		<dc:creator>db</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 10:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. It&#039;s happening right here. I&#039;m pretty convinced by what Greg and jay have said - maybe I should buy that computer game after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. It&#8217;s happening right here. I&#8217;m pretty convinced by what Greg and jay have said &#8211; maybe I should buy that computer game after all.</p>
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